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	<title>Comments on: With Liberty, Justice, and Trick-or-Treats for All</title>
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		<title>By: Megan Enloe</title>
		<link>http://teemorris.com/2008/11/03/with-liberty-justice-and-trick-or-treats-for-all/comment-page-1/#comment-63</link>
		<dc:creator>Megan Enloe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 16:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, that&#039;s just wrong on so many levels. Nagel&#039;s behavior, not you Tee. Halloween is about the kids, the costume, the photos, and most of all the memories. The memories some of those kids will take away will be thoughts of how they were rejected because there is something &quot;wrong&quot; about the way their parents think. Now that is a scary Halloween story. 

I&#039;m writing this on the day after the elections here in the US. I&#039;m wondering, with some satisfaction, how she is feeling today. Many threatened and a few actually did move to Canada when Bush won. I wonder if there is any country that would take Ms. Nagel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, that&#8217;s just wrong on so many levels. Nagel&#8217;s behavior, not you Tee. Halloween is about the kids, the costume, the photos, and most of all the memories. The memories some of those kids will take away will be thoughts of how they were rejected because there is something &#8220;wrong&#8221; about the way their parents think. Now that is a scary Halloween story. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m writing this on the day after the elections here in the US. I&#8217;m wondering, with some satisfaction, how she is feeling today. Many threatened and a few actually did move to Canada when Bush won. I wonder if there is any country that would take Ms. Nagel.</p>
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		<title>By: Lance Schonberg</title>
		<link>http://teemorris.com/2008/11/03/with-liberty-justice-and-trick-or-treats-for-all/comment-page-1/#comment-47</link>
		<dc:creator>Lance Schonberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 02:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would love for this to be some kind of urban legend, &#039;The Woman so blinded by fear she could only give candy to the children of the right.&#039;  Unfortunately, the real world is often more ridiculous than anything we might make up.  It&#039;s often far more disappointing, too, but thankfully in more isolated ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love for this to be some kind of urban legend, &#8216;The Woman so blinded by fear she could only give candy to the children of the right.&#8217;  Unfortunately, the real world is often more ridiculous than anything we might make up.  It&#8217;s often far more disappointing, too, but thankfully in more isolated ways.</p>
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		<title>By: Sique</title>
		<link>http://teemorris.com/2008/11/03/with-liberty-justice-and-trick-or-treats-for-all/comment-page-1/#comment-46</link>
		<dc:creator>Sique</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 02:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>evidently, she had a sign out in the front of her house and if the child came to the door, she asked...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>evidently, she had a sign out in the front of her house and if the child came to the door, she asked&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Big Silly Pumpkin</title>
		<link>http://teemorris.com/2008/11/03/with-liberty-justice-and-trick-or-treats-for-all/comment-page-1/#comment-45</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Silly Pumpkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 01:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As much as I am loathe to do this, I am posting this mostly anonymously.  I say mostly, because I didn&#039;t hide my true email address from Tee.  He knows who this is.  I am hiding my name because I have a podcast, as much as it shouldn&#039;t matter, what I am going to reveal about my voting this year would matter to some people, and I don&#039;t want that to hurt the work my co-hosts have done.

As someone with every intention tomorrow of going into the balloting box tomorrow and voting for the McCain-Palin ticket, this news article disgusted me.

It&#039;s enough that we have to walk around the political signs or knock on doors with them on just to trick-or-treat, but this act of wanton assholery is unforgivable and pathetic.

This kind of treatment of children gives the political system and the election process an even worse name than it has by its very nature.

The biggest question I had when I read the article for the first time was... &quot;How did she know?&quot;

Seriously?  Does she know everyone in her neighborhood, and monitor who has which signs?  Does she have access to some sort of polling information?  Does she ask?

The more sinister and cynical part of my thinking was that she might live in a neighborhood similar to mine.  A decent, middle-class neighborhood with safe streets that are well-lit, with little to no crime to speak of that happens to be close enough to the interstate so that people 15 miles down the road who live in a, for lack of a better word, ghetto bring their kids to our neighborhood to let their kids trick-or-treat some place safe.  And I don&#039;t blame them, and make sure that I have plenty enough candy not only for the kids in our neighborhood, but also the Halloween visitors.

If she lived in a neighborhood like ours she might just automatically assume that just because a child would have been African-American that 1) they didn&#039;t belong in her neighborhood, and 2) their parents were going to vote for Barrack Obama.  In my neighborhood, neither of those assumptions would be valid.  Period.

I call out to the media, don&#039;t just sensationalize this story.  Tell us.

How did she know?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As much as I am loathe to do this, I am posting this mostly anonymously.  I say mostly, because I didn&#8217;t hide my true email address from Tee.  He knows who this is.  I am hiding my name because I have a podcast, as much as it shouldn&#8217;t matter, what I am going to reveal about my voting this year would matter to some people, and I don&#8217;t want that to hurt the work my co-hosts have done.</p>
<p>As someone with every intention tomorrow of going into the balloting box tomorrow and voting for the McCain-Palin ticket, this news article disgusted me.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s enough that we have to walk around the political signs or knock on doors with them on just to trick-or-treat, but this act of wanton assholery is unforgivable and pathetic.</p>
<p>This kind of treatment of children gives the political system and the election process an even worse name than it has by its very nature.</p>
<p>The biggest question I had when I read the article for the first time was&#8230; &#8220;How did she know?&#8221;</p>
<p>Seriously?  Does she know everyone in her neighborhood, and monitor who has which signs?  Does she have access to some sort of polling information?  Does she ask?</p>
<p>The more sinister and cynical part of my thinking was that she might live in a neighborhood similar to mine.  A decent, middle-class neighborhood with safe streets that are well-lit, with little to no crime to speak of that happens to be close enough to the interstate so that people 15 miles down the road who live in a, for lack of a better word, ghetto bring their kids to our neighborhood to let their kids trick-or-treat some place safe.  And I don&#8217;t blame them, and make sure that I have plenty enough candy not only for the kids in our neighborhood, but also the Halloween visitors.</p>
<p>If she lived in a neighborhood like ours she might just automatically assume that just because a child would have been African-American that 1) they didn&#8217;t belong in her neighborhood, and 2) their parents were going to vote for Barrack Obama.  In my neighborhood, neither of those assumptions would be valid.  Period.</p>
<p>I call out to the media, don&#8217;t just sensationalize this story.  Tell us.</p>
<p>How did she know?</p>
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		<title>By: Terminusvox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terminusvox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 01:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t the whole door-to-door thing predicated on getting a treat or playing a trick? What say we all go soap her windows and toilet paper her trees?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t the whole door-to-door thing predicated on getting a treat or playing a trick? What say we all go soap her windows and toilet paper her trees?</p>
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		<title>By: Sique</title>
		<link>http://teemorris.com/2008/11/03/with-liberty-justice-and-trick-or-treats-for-all/comment-page-1/#comment-43</link>
		<dc:creator>Sique</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 01:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This Nagel woman saddens me. 

How many years without affection did she suffer through to come to place where she finds joy and satisfaction denying children in an attempt to be right?

Is this the result of personal connection to other human beings and fundamentalist religion? 
Having a voice but being heard?

Years of domination and control from those entrusted with her emotional development?
It seems so. 

When the only way that you can feel confident in your choices is to degrade the powerless tells more of her than anything else.

I hope she finds a place where she finds love and acceptance. 

Or at the least a good shagging…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This Nagel woman saddens me. </p>
<p>How many years without affection did she suffer through to come to place where she finds joy and satisfaction denying children in an attempt to be right?</p>
<p>Is this the result of personal connection to other human beings and fundamentalist religion?<br />
Having a voice but being heard?</p>
<p>Years of domination and control from those entrusted with her emotional development?<br />
It seems so. </p>
<p>When the only way that you can feel confident in your choices is to degrade the powerless tells more of her than anything else.</p>
<p>I hope she finds a place where she finds love and acceptance. </p>
<p>Or at the least a good shagging…</p>
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		<title>By: Allen Sale</title>
		<link>http://teemorris.com/2008/11/03/with-liberty-justice-and-trick-or-treats-for-all/comment-page-1/#comment-42</link>
		<dc:creator>Allen Sale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 01:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Halloween brings out the worst in some. The scariest part of this whole story is that this lady isn&#039;t alone. Nor does she aid the cause of true Conservatism. Halloween is about the costumes, the candy, the spook houses. Politics shouldn&#039;t be on display on that night for the same reason that teachers shouldn&#039;t wear buttons in class. While in school, teachers are there for the kids; to influence the way the children think by instilling various concepts of our educational system. They make memories that last a life time just like Halloween does in the same token.

Awesome points, Tee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Halloween brings out the worst in some. The scariest part of this whole story is that this lady isn&#8217;t alone. Nor does she aid the cause of true Conservatism. Halloween is about the costumes, the candy, the spook houses. Politics shouldn&#8217;t be on display on that night for the same reason that teachers shouldn&#8217;t wear buttons in class. While in school, teachers are there for the kids; to influence the way the children think by instilling various concepts of our educational system. They make memories that last a life time just like Halloween does in the same token.</p>
<p>Awesome points, Tee.</p>
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		<title>By: WilliamPall</title>
		<link>http://teemorris.com/2008/11/03/with-liberty-justice-and-trick-or-treats-for-all/comment-page-1/#comment-41</link>
		<dc:creator>WilliamPall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 00:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you. Yes I pointed out on Twitter about it being her option to not give out treats, but if I personally would&#039;ve done something likes this, it&#039;d&#039;ve been to deny candy to the kids of non-voters. But I still can&#039;t see myself going that far. As you put it Tee. Halloween is for the Children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you. Yes I pointed out on Twitter about it being her option to not give out treats, but if I personally would&#8217;ve done something likes this, it&#8217;d've been to deny candy to the kids of non-voters. But I still can&#8217;t see myself going that far. As you put it Tee. Halloween is for the Children.</p>
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		<title>By: SVallie</title>
		<link>http://teemorris.com/2008/11/03/with-liberty-justice-and-trick-or-treats-for-all/comment-page-1/#comment-40</link>
		<dc:creator>SVallie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 00:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a child of parents that sounded like your hypothetical Nagel speech, I can only hope that you are wrong. Too many people in these Free States act like they can impose their values, mores, and choices on the rest of the world and thereby make Freedom in their own image.

It took me years to break out of the Nagel-esque mold my own parents formed me into and develop the sight that allowed me to see how little Freedom that view actually left.

Halloween is a holiday for candy and the upkeep of the family dentist, not a soapbox for mean people who need a social circle of people that don&#039;t look like them. But striking fear in the hearts of small children is in keeping with the situation. Maybe we can cut her slack on that point and realize that us getting all lathered up over a situation like this and vilifying the woman for a personal choice makes us just about as closed minded and hateful as she is.

And we don&#039;t want that, now do we?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a child of parents that sounded like your hypothetical Nagel speech, I can only hope that you are wrong. Too many people in these Free States act like they can impose their values, mores, and choices on the rest of the world and thereby make Freedom in their own image.</p>
<p>It took me years to break out of the Nagel-esque mold my own parents formed me into and develop the sight that allowed me to see how little Freedom that view actually left.</p>
<p>Halloween is a holiday for candy and the upkeep of the family dentist, not a soapbox for mean people who need a social circle of people that don&#8217;t look like them. But striking fear in the hearts of small children is in keeping with the situation. Maybe we can cut her slack on that point and realize that us getting all lathered up over a situation like this and vilifying the woman for a personal choice makes us just about as closed minded and hateful as she is.</p>
<p>And we don&#8217;t want that, now do we?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael (@womprat99)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael (@womprat99)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bravo, Tee.  Denying something to someone only because their parents have certain beliefs is inherently shortsighted.  Let&#039;s see how this works:  I deny you candy because your parents are Democrats.  Does that translate to German?  I deny you your life/freedom because your parents were Jewish.  How about a trip through history?  I deny you your life because you are not, and will not, convert to Christianity.  Same logic train, isn&#039;t it?

Again, bravo, Tee.  I appreciate your time and effort.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravo, Tee.  Denying something to someone only because their parents have certain beliefs is inherently shortsighted.  Let&#8217;s see how this works:  I deny you candy because your parents are Democrats.  Does that translate to German?  I deny you your life/freedom because your parents were Jewish.  How about a trip through history?  I deny you your life because you are not, and will not, convert to Christianity.  Same logic train, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>Again, bravo, Tee.  I appreciate your time and effort.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Philippa Ballantine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philippa Ballantine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It might have been her *right* to deny candy, but it was terribly meanspirited. Also could this count as &#039;buying votes&#039;?</description>
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